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Hi Walter, Thanks for the advice. I have now bought a set of Optima’s with the Z scoop. First results with the new bowls are very promising. In particular, I seem to be getting much more accuracy of line which I put down to the Z scoop. I never paid much attention to finger placement on a bowl before but I now suspect that some of my wilder bowls were the result of a misplaced finger giving a flick to the bowl on delivery which affected its trajectory. The Z scoop makes it very easy to put the middle finger dead centre on the bowl with the two adjoining fingers sitting in the scoop on each side. The thumb and little finger can then just rest on each side of the bowl. Apart from helping with line, I think this also helps with weight control as the Optima now sits more comfortably on the fingers rather than being gripped too tightly as tends to happen when the bowl is further back in the palm.